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I think E-V13 were cattle herders becoming increasingly desperate because of the aridification. Slaves, I suppose, rarely become a prominent or high % male HG in a population - just an intuition yes, that's right, but it just so happened, 6000 years ago the Balkans were invaded by Indo-Europeans who had cattle, but who knew notting about farming. Are there any deeper subclades among E-V13, that could make a distinction?

Some E-V13 who still owned cattle made it to Southern Italy, or even to Catalonia, Spain, as proven by ancinet DNA (see the Eupedia section for that) But the majority owned nothing and were sold or sold themselves as slaves to work in the Balkan mines or fields for food production. the whole country got desintegrated, but if you were a slave then, and you knew how to work the land, I guess this was rather good news I have a theory : E - V13 arrived as slaves in the Balkans Where from? Are there any deeper subclades among E-V13, that could make a distinction? from northern Tunesia - Acc Chem Res 2002northeren Tunesia was also part of the obsidian trade these traders traded not only obsidian, but also slaves Some E-V13 who still owned cattle were not sold as slaves but made it to Southern Italy, or even to Catalonia, Spain I guess their status was something like the Jews in Egypt That is how they survived as a tribe.

They traded obsidian, als with Libya, north-Africa.

- Acc Chem Res 2002After the period of the 'green Sahara' , noth-Africa became progressively more arid.

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To start viewing messages, select a forum from the selection below.My hypothesis is that this migration was due to the desertification of the Sahara at the end of the last Ice Age.The impact of the Neolithic dispersal on the western European populations is subject to continuing debate.To trace and date genetic lineages potentially brought during this transition and so understand the origin of the gene pool of current populations, we studied DNA extracted from human remains excavated in a Spanish funeral cave dating from the beginning of the fifth millennium B. Thanks to a “multimarkers” approach based on the analysis of mitochondrial and nuclear DNA (autosomes and Y-chromosome), we obtained information on the early Neolithic funeral practices and on the biogeographical origin of the inhumed individuals. Maternal haplogroups found are consistent with pre-Neolithic settlement, whereas the Y-chromosomal analyses permitted confirmation of the existence in Spain approximately 7,000 y ago of two haplogroups previously associated with the Neolithic transition: G2a and E1b1b1a1b.These results are highly consistent with those previously found in Neolithic individuals from French Late Neolithic individuals, indicating a surprising temporal genetic homogeneity in these groups.The samples are 2000 years older than in Treilles, and identified both G2a and E-V13.This could either confirm a Neolithic origin of E-V13 or, my recent proposal that E1b1b crossed from Africa to Europe before the Neolithic.Spain is indeed the most likely point of entry from North Africa, along with South Italy.Considering that a substantial percentage of Neolithic mt DNA in Iberia is African (L1b1, L2, L3, respectively in Andalusia, Navarra and Valencia), this could indeed be a sign of a direct migration from North Africa.- this group can download attachments, reputation/posts do not matter. - this group can download attachments, reputation/posts do not matter adds eliminated Inbox capacity increased files manager increased permissions. Lacan et al., who tested the Neolithic site of Treilles in Southwest France (G2a I2a) published a new study on Neolithic Spain.

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